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Aug 3, 2023·edited Aug 3, 2023

it might be better if he has his own personal body guards anyway. I agree its like a slap in the face to Bobby - but as soon as I heard it I thought it would be better to use a private supporting company anyway. Who cares about the money

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It seems that candidates usually have both. Senator Obama and Donald Trump, for example, both had robust private security before receiving a Secret Service detail, which would up sharing protective duties. It's meant to bolster existing protection, not replace it.

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This is the most damning bit of "evidence" against the current administration yet - IMO. Refusing to protect a candidate with his history is shameful.

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Fair observation, Camille. Hopefully the public reaction will show them how unpopular a decision this was.

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Anyone who wouldn't vote for RFK Jr. would probably prefer him following his uncle and father before the election. I'm hoping for him to get some party's nomination.

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'When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.'

Maya Angelou

We observe the actions of the Biden Administration and they are ruthless

in their efforts to suppress the 1st Amendment, free speech, and indict their

competitors campaigning for president. It's an awful day for America with these

thugs in power.

There are many ways to harm someone.

I recall the poisoning of Alexander Litvinenko. May God watch over RFK Jr.

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Where has my democratic party gone? Go Bobby!

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as a former democrat, the democrat party is a memory, nothing more. They have become Borg-like idealogues whose agenda is hanging on to power, even to the destruction of the courts and the constitution. It's dystopic to the 10th power.

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Robert F. Kennedy Jr. is working hard to reignite that lost spark!

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Can public pressure somehow be brought to bear on this egregious decision in hopes that RFK, Jr. will finally receive S.S. protection?

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Absolutely - simply by speaking out about it will move the needle in the court of public opinion, which has a demonstrable effect on the government's actions.

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Bobby did a great show with Jimmy Dore on Monday and there's a riff about Secret Service events in his own words.. whole show is fab but this clip relevant!

Fun historic trivia.. origins are notorious private security of railroad titans & founded by Allen Pinkerton - Secret Service was under Treasury from 1865 until DHS was created post 9-11..

https://rumble.com/v33ud9r-denied-white-house-refuses-secret-service-protection-for-rfk-jr..html

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Denying him secret service detail is actually keeping him safe imo. Would anyone trust who the deep state assigns? My hope is that Kennedy has a few citizens that are retired military or law enforcement with clean backgrounds willing to step up and protect him from the criminals we're trying to flush out of government.

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RFK Jr. has some of the best private security in the world, so he's certainly well-protected. Still, the Secret Service is largely made up of highly competent civil servants who would do an excellent job bolstering his security, which is is certainly appropriate given the huge target on his back.

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With people like Clapper and McCabe at CNN and Brennan and Bash at MSNBC, we can be certain that any "fact check" they originate will reflect the fine traditions and high standards set by the facts reported by Allen Dulles and the Warren Commission.

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Easily debunkable ones, too!

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Bobby, Thank you for your essential service for all of humanity. Your life is precious.

For the rest of us our bottom-up goal, distributed amongst us must be as uncle John prescribed,

“Ask not what your country (or RFKJr) can do for you – ask what you can do for your country,”

SELF-&-PUBLIC PROTECTION

Bobby's openness to 'debate' (French 'de' = 'undo' + 'bate' = 'the-fight') can be formally organized to invite any & everyone into the distributed process of formal Both-sided, Equal-time, Recorded & Published dialogue among diverse Stakeholder Groups, choosing Spokespersons, who debate among themselves to choose Spokespersons who will debate with Bobby. Formal Dialogue instead of our pervasive Monologue with incipient violence can be recultivated as a 'Dialectic-Right' for all individuals in all relationships. Both-Sides-Now is a simple process available for all people in all relationships today, modelled on indigenous practices. Any couple of people with a cell-phone, stop-watch functions on their watches, notepads & refreshments can schedule a typical 90 minute session of exploring & formalizing their agreements & structuring Conflict Resolution. Couples planning relationship, marriage, developing working agreements do well.

This ancient way of 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') COUNCIL-PROCESS (described below) means violence is never necessary. When all are given dialogue as an opportunity to make one's case apparent, those who choose violence are cowards. For Bobby to officially & openly adopt open dialogue, will culturally transform American & human society as the most effective investments in self-defense & protection.

WORDS & ACTION UNITED

What are we all going to do about love, livelihood-for-all, clean-environment, abundant wildlife or in the inverse exclusion, pollution & war in our own lives?

How can we 'Organize from the TREE-ROOTS of all our relations in our everyday living & working together in our natural existing associations?

In the end, with a captured Finance, Media, Religion, Education, Military-Industrial, Legislative, Judicial, Pharma-med COMPLEX, the best we all can do in support of Bobby at the top, is to 'Become-the-change, we-want-to-see, in our own lives.

INDIGENOUS CIRCLE-OF-LIFE.

In the Great Spirit's eyes, its not so much about "answering when we die", (many are paralyzed in this abstract fear), as much as supporting all people, of every means, pregnant women, husbands, partners, children, elderly, handicapped, ill & injured, while we are alive.

Those who will dig (research) into their indigenous ancestors, will find love, caring & sharing, worldwide in abundance. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/a-home/3-indigenous-circle-of-life

All humanity's 'indigenous' (Latin 'self-generating') ancestors & people today call this the 'GREAT-GOOD-WAY-of-KINDNESS', 'Great Law of Peace' indeed the 'Constitution'. Indigenous peoples & 1st Nations here accomplished 'economic' (Greek 'oikos' = 'home' + 'namein' = 'care-&-nurture') inclusion from the bottom-up through:

a) organization in the ~100 (50-150) person Multihome-Dwelling-Complex (eg. Longhouse-apartment, Pueblo-townhouse & Kanata-village).

b) time-based equivalency accounting on the String-shell (eg. Wampum in N. America, Quipu in S. America, Cowrie-shell in indigenous Celtic-Slavic Europe, Asia, Africa, Australia & all islands.

c) COUNCIL-PROCESS or Both-sided, Equal-time, Recorded & Published Dialogues. (See below)

'COMMUNITY' (L. 'com' = 'together' + 'munus' = 'gift-or-service')

My ancestors the 'Haudenosaunee' (Iroquois 'People-of-the-extended-rafters' aka 'Welcome') maintain welcome for 10s of 1000s of years before the European invasion & after, but its up to all of us to embrace our indigenous: loving, intimate, intergenerational, female-male, interdisciplinary, critical-mass, economies-of-scale responsibility, now in our time.

70% of people today live in multihomes with an average of 32 dwelling-units = ~100 people.

20% of Multihome-dwellers are extended-families living intentionally in proximity for social & economic collaboration.

Multihome-extended-family contribute trillions of $ of the most individually appropriate goods, services, sharing & caring/year as Turtle-Island, N-America's largest essential Economic sector, albeit unrecognized by government, education & institutions. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/C-relational-economy/1-extending-our-welcome-participatory-multihome-cohousing

DO-WE-KNOW-WHO-WE-ARE-? http://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/9-do-we-know-who-we-are is a web-based Community-Economy software enabling those 70% of all populations still culturally connected in the Multihome to:

A) CATALOGUE local individual & business for: talents, goods, services, resources & dreams. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/a-home/7-membership

B) MAP local proximal collaborative relations for complementary economic concertation as in this example of establishing an ecological-economic baseline through mapping 1st Nation Placenames. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/a-home/5-tiohtiake-mohawk-placenames

C) ACCOUNT for collective contributions, buying, selling & co-investment. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/c-relational-economy

D) COMMUNICATE such as formally through COUNCIL PROCESS or Both-Sides-Now, Equal-time, Recorded & Published dialogues for reaching formal agreement together as well as conflict-resolution. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/1-both-sides-now-equal-time-recorded-dialogues

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Any chance you could summarize your thought?

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Thank you for the opportunity Boris Petrov,

In addition to the armed & trained guards & strategists, to which Bobby has minimal protection & definitely needs much more, he will do well to offer his natural tendency to open Dialogue & Debate as a program for the whole population. We thus heal the common Reaction of just physical 'Protection' through physical force, with Proactive spiritual connection through Intellectual-Exchange.

If you are familiar with India & Mohandas Gandhi's 'Swadeshi' (Hindi' 'indigenous' aka 'self-sufficiency') program, 'Satyagraha' (H. 'Truth-search' also India's ancient 'Council Process') was implemented among India's diverse Economic, Religious & Political groups. In retrospect Gandhi did not issue an open personal call to formal debate with himself, for all.

The previous Comment's details are necessary because our top-down Oligarch commanded colonial society is indoctrinated & fixated in one-way Monologues & ultimately personal or hidden state violence.

Bobby's understanding of human Dialogue can be harnessed on a very broad popular level for the whole population in all our interpersonal, business, government & institutional relations, with significant impacts for his personal & all humanity's public safety & well-being.

TRANSFORMING SOCIAL-MEDIA FROM MONO-TO-DIALOGUE

The Kennedy Beacon & such as CHD Defender can lead the way of all media & greatly expand its readership with the presentation of debates on multiple issues of health & the environment. https://sites.google.com/site/indigenecommunity/d-participatory-structure/1-communication-converting-social-media-from-mono-to-dialogue-libya

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I said before + I'm saying it again. IF RFK, JR. is hurt or worse during his bid to be POTUSA WITHOUT Secret Service Protection, I'LL personally seek revenge against certain persons in power that could of giving it to him + his family + SUPPORTERS such as myself. That includes his SILENT SIBLINGS about him receiving the protection!!!

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I said before + I'm saying it again. IF RFK, JR. is hurt or worse during his bid to be POTUSA WITHOUT Secret Service Protection, I'LL personally seek revenge against certain persons in power that could of giving it to him + his family + SUPPORTERS such as myself. That includes his SILENT SIBLINGS about him receiving the protection!!!

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Mayorkas is the worst HSS in the history of the world and always shows his True colors!!!

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who cares when it comes to safety - its only money

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Obama's days are numbered now his chef is gone. Who knew black men couldn't cook

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Secret Service Protection really? Who’s gonna decide to protect him and with what guards? Selected by who? Sorry for my mad idea but in his situation and the new message he wants to spread, I would only trust some Wagner guards that escaped to the west.

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It's scary and disgusting that RFK Jr. is not getting any Secret Service protection, considering what happenned to his father and uncle, and considering that our society is full of isolated hyper-enraged people willing to take out their neurotic frustrations on those who do not deserve to be targeted, and considering that Kennedy is attacking major corporate interests . First , these interests start with the likes of a private intelligence like Black Cube, that Harvey Weinstein used to slander his accusers :

Black Cube

(BC Strategy Ltd) is a private intelligence agency based in London, Tel Aviv and Madrid.[1][2] The company was founded in 2010[3] by former Israeli intelligence officers[4] Dan Zorella (in Hebrew: דן זורלא) and Avi Yanus (in Hebrew: אבי ינוס). Its employees include former members of Israeli intelligence units.[5] In the past, it has supported Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) activities.[6] Black Cube drew widespread condemnation for its work surveilling and assisting with efforts to slander the reputations of women accusing Harvey Weinstein of sexual violence and journalists reporting on them.[7][8]

The world is full of slimy hard-assed PR and Law farms willing to do anything for a buck. To defend oppressors, murderers, polluters, rapists, you name it. Don't get me started about the hyper-patriotic anti-socialist side of the CIA , NSA, and US Defense Departments and what they think.

And read this ( promoted by RFK Jr. ) :

JFK and the Unspeakable: Why He Died & Why It Matters

James W Douglas

In this fascinating and disturbing book James Douglass presents a compelling account of why President John F. Kennedy was assassinated and why the unmasking of this truth remains crucial for the future of our country and the world. The title comes from a phrase of Thomas Merton, naming of the attitudes, forces and interests that generate and support international tension and conflict.

Drawing on a vast field of investigations, including many sources available only recently, Douglass lays out a sequence of steps over the last three years of his life that transformed JFK from a traditional "Cold Warrior" to someone determined to pull the world back from the edge of nuclear apocalypse. Beginning with the fiasco of the Bay of Pigs invasion (which left the President wishing to "splinter the CIA in a thousand pieces"), followed by the Cuban Missile Crisis and his secret back-channel dialogues with Soviet Premier Nikita Khrushchev, JFK pursued a series of actions - right up to the week of his death - that caused members of his own U.S. military-intelligence establishment to regard him as a virtual traitor who had to be eliminated.

As the 50th anniversary of Kennedy's assassination approaches ( written in 2013 ), the story of why he was killed - his turn toward peace - is not ancient history, and bears crucial lessons for today in the light of a decade of war and continuing revelations of clandestine national security and military activities. Douglass shows convincingly how those who plotted the death of JFK were determined not simply to eliminate a single man but to kill a vision. Douglass's book has all the elements of a political thriller.

But the stakes couldn't be higher. Only by understanding the truth behind the murder of JFK can we grasp his vision and assume the urgent struggle for peace today.

"In JFK and the Unspeakable Jim Douglass has distilled all the best available research into a very well-documented and convincing portrait of President Kennedy's transforming turn to peace, at the cost of his life. Personally, it has made a very big impact on me. After reading it in Dallas, I was moved for the first time to visit Dealey Plaza. I urge all Americans to read this book and come to their own conclusions about why he died and why - after fifty years - it still matters."

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Thanks for sharing, Marco - lots to look into.

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TECHNICAL QUESTION: why do we have to update our profile every time we want to post ( at least I do ) ? Posts by me already written sometimes have gotten lost, due to the intervention of this procedure. I find myself now having to copy-paste my message , send an email to myself with the post, in case it gets lost. Then reposting my message in the Comments section if it did get lost.

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People should also check out what happenned to Judy Mikovits as a possible template:

From the usual WIKIPEDIA verbal hit job:

"As research director of CFS research organization Whittemore Peterson Institute (WPI) from 2006 to 2011, Mikovits led an effort that reported in 2009 that a retrovirus known as xenotropic murine leukemia virus-related virus (XMRV) was associated with CFS ( Chronic Fatigue Syndrome ) and might have a causal role. However, following widespread criticism, the paper was retracted on December 22, 2011, by the journal Science. In November 2011, she was arrested and held on charges that she stole laboratory notebooks and a computer from WPI, but she was released after five days and the charges were later dropped. "

As I recall, what happenned to her was way more complicated and vicious than what this excerpt indicates . Anyone interested should check out her book "Plague Of Corruption " .

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