“Enough of these warmongers. Let’s bring that money back home. #GOPDebate #Kennedy24”
Such a bizarre comment from RFK Jr. As far as I know RFk Jr supports the billions congress sends to Israel every year and the billions more they plan to send this year to fund the war the Israeli government is waging, substantially against civilians. It’s great that he doesn’t want to go to war with Iran, but it’s foolish to think that sending billions of American taxes to the Israeli government won’t increase the chances of that.
How about not being a hypocrite Bobby? Let’s bring that tax money we are giving to the Israeli government back home.
Rfk jr *is* a warmonger right now in his belligerent support of the the Israeli government. Has something changed that I missed?
I’m not really a Jimmy Dore fan, but I agree with him that RFK Jrs foreign policy positions are largely garbage that sound like they come from a memo by John Bolton.
Heartbreaking Bobby is not opposing the genocide in Gaza.. this is not a war it is ethnic cleansing and Colonial oppression on par with the Holocaust that Zionists use to pretend it is about Judaism.
Please, Stop saying Israel against Hamas. Is Israel against the people and children of Gaza. RFK should stand up firm against this horrible war too. One thing is Israel and another is supporting bands of fanatics Zionist and Hamas warmongers in power.
Stop confusing reality. This is not a war which implies to armies fighting each other in the name of political State. israel has been drooling for the opportunity to assault Gaza in a major way for years and their leaders say this over and over again. Hamas did not seek imperialist goals when they breached the 'security' fence. Their stated goal was to capture IDF people and use them to gain release of the hostages Israel kidnapped holding them without charges and torturing them. Israel on the other hand, having advance warning from Egypt of an event happening, told the IDF to stand down and used the deaths of a few Israelis as a False Flag in order to invade Gaza and destroy it and the people.
I notice today a drop in the Israel deaths from 1400 to 1200. Am waiting for real numbers which will be around 700 with 1/2 of those being IDF and hardly any children (less than 20 or 25). Compared to the intentional assault on children in Gaza, this is a very small number.
Also to be noted is that when the fence was breached it was not only Hamas that entered Israel but many Palestinians who had never been outside the open air prison in which they were born and struggled to live. I suspect that many civilian deaths were from these people who had been sitting on rage for years as they watched the way Israel slaughtered their families and maimed their entire population, destroying all their social institutions.
RFK lost many supporters over his ignorant position on Israel that supports their fascism and planned genocide! If he was concerned about the power of AIPAC he could have kept his mouth shut on the issue instead of so strongly asserting total support for Israel. He really needs to deal with this problem of his lack of knowledge and understanding.
Please remember who moderated the debate and decided the questions. NBC!! Who wanted nothing more than to make Repubs look as hawkish as possible, thus making "Genocide Joe" look reasonable.
And the points made on most of these idiots on the Republican stage explains why Trump is ahead. I like him and Kennedy as they are both against war. Remember that Trump ordered all troops home from Syria and the Pentagon largely disobeyed this order. If Kennedy or Trump wins, I pray they can stay our of a war and find a way to get all troops home.
Sounds like a good summary of the debate so thank you RFK for doing this. I would not have the stomach to have sat thru this event.
One thing that struck me was the focus on foreign affairs compared to previous years and the tendency to focus on local cultural issues instead of real bread and butter ones that actually do affect people's life. And they did reveal their war mongering craziness with little to no concern for the general public. I guess focusing on Ukraine or Israel seems safer to this crew than discussing the divisive social issues as they usually do.
RFK Jr: "These guys seem to be in full agreement that we should escalate this war and bomb Iran. Seriously? Is that what we want? Am I missing something? "
Yeah he certainly is. Does he not see the direct connection between not ending the conflagration in Gaza immediately and the obvious possibility of war with Iran if it continues? He seemed smarter than this, but now I don't know. I've been operating under the assumption that since he has not called for an immediate ceasefire followed by peace talks and instead seems just fine with Genocide Joe's position that he was also ok with war with Iran. I continue to be massively disappointed in RFK Jr.
"I've been operating under the assumption that since he has not called for an immediate ceasefire followed by peace talks and instead seems just fine with Genocide Joe's position..."
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Recently, (Rumble 11/9/23 “RFK Jr. Pushes WORLD WAR III Over OIL!” @12:40), Jimmy Dore discussed RFK's Nov 3rd tweet thanking Jeffery Sach's for tweeting, 'By coming out for urgent diplomacy and peace in Israel and Ukraine, RFK, Jr will do the right thing and win the election, hands down.' Thanks Jeff!”
Ironically, the previous day, on Nov 2nd, the "Kennedy Beacon" Substack (Pro-RFK "American Values 2024" Super PAC) censored Jeremy Sach's call for diplomacy & peace! A few hours after his thoughtful article, "Israel’s Chance to Turn Carnage into Peace" -- Friends Do Not Let Friends Commit Crimes Against Humanity, was posted onto the “Beacon” substack, it was deleted! *1
Sachs concluded by writing: "If Israel swallows Netanyahu’s poison *2 that “this is a time for war,” Israel will isolate itself from the rest of the world and pay a devastating price. ... Israel’s friends, starting with the U.S., must help it choose diplomacy over war. Friends do not let friends commit crimes against humanity, much less provide them with the finances and arms to do so."
RFK himself has long suffered from censorship on vaccine issues, etc. Considering RFK's anti-censorship position, it's rather ironic RFK's Super PAC censored itself!
RFK claims he is “telling the truth to the American people” ... except for Palestine? Since May, when he backtracked on his praise for Roger Walters, his stance on Israel-Palestine has lacked the nuance, truth telling, and open-mindedness RFK has displayed on other important issues. Last Summer, RFK promised Jimmy Dore he would debate/talk with Max Blumenthal. So far, RFK hasn't (just like Dr. Peter Hotez has ducked debating RFK on vaccines).
Will RFK ever come out for “diplomacy & peace... will [he] do the right thing...?” Hopefully, … but I've almost lost hope for him as a “peace” & “truth teller” candidate. He's missed so many chances.
Perhaps Jimmy Dore should interview Jeremy Sachs again? It would be interesting to hear his perspective on RFK's Israel/Gaza position.
*1: You can find the "Page Not Found" link by "Googling": "Kennedy Beacon" "Israel's Chance to Turn Carnage into Peace". Sach's article can still be found on the "Common Dreams" website.
*2: During his televised announcement of the Gaza ground invasion Prime Minister Netanyahu said, "You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible"; referring to Samuel 15:3, literally "going Biblical" on Gaza: https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1718360354764238929
I had MSNBC on yesterday to hear about the Israeli/Hamas war. The first time I ever heard anyone bring up RFK, Jr. in the last months as a candidate. I was appalled when the person leading the election stated that RFK, Jr. was the anti-vax candidate and then went right on speaking about the other candidates.
and that is exactly why it is a total waste of time to ever listen to MSNBC or any of the fake news channels. They are programming you and even call it as such...
The morons shouting Antisemitism are too stupid, too ignorant or too Bought and Paid for or Blackmailed to realize Arabs, including Palestinians, are Semites and make-up over 98% of Semites. Kennedy knows better but supports the BS narrative. Some Freedom Fighter.
And no I am not Arabic and I am partially Jewish. WHAT IS THE TRUTH CANNOT BE DEFEATED!!!
3. The Cost-of-Living, Economic Problems, Balance Budget and Social Security – The cost-of-living and economic problems of the US are related and inter-dependent. None of these problems will be solved until American consumers STOP over-spending and over-indebting themselves, as is the case with all of the govt. agencies in their, and their employees, spending. In order to address the problems of excessive consumer spending celebrities, socialites, civil servants, and ‘social media influencers’ need to stop selling the lifestyle of the ‘rich and famous’ as the ‘Great American Dream’, while turning a blind-eye to the plight of the masses, and ‘cancelling’ anyone who loses his or her ‘fortune’ or becomes involved in ‘unpleasantness’-like was done with Prince Andrew and the British Royal family in the Virginia Guiffre affair. The marie-antoinette and Queen Elizabth mentality of the ‘Real Housewives’ as much as ‘breaking glass ceiling’ career women MUST STOP. And the ‘back-bone’ of society, the wives and mothers of upper-, middle- and lower-class homemakers, whose work is neither recognized or appreciated. must be given a Voice in society and public policy discussions of the ‘experts’. After all, it is the LIVES of these women and their children that all the ‘experts’ are ‘discussing’. The ‘breaking glass ceiling’ career women are just as misogynistic towards, homemakers, as the male-supremacists, and why they often ally with their ‘enemies’ the feminists, in oppressing homemakers and their children.
One of the first rules of order in reducing spending in government agencies (at local, state, and federal levels) is slashing of budgetary allowances for all of the millions of conferences, seminars, workshops, retreats, coaching, and other parties for civil servants to ‘chew the fat’ and schmooze with ‘experts’ from alt-Left Work or fascist alt-Right academia, think tanks, and corporate directors that are costing taxpayers untold billions. Furthermore, HR departments and the Woke ideologies, and concentration of jobs into young workers and recent college grads (with DEI policies (aka Discrimination, Elimination, and Intimidation)), while openly discriminating against older workers, in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, must cease and desist. Not only is it empowering a younger generation, who have not been properly prepared and educated by their parents, schools, and society, to be productive and civically minded workers and citizens, but it is encouraging gerontophobia, and hate crimes against the elderly, as well as resentment of the elderly for American youth. It is the same vicious cycle that is being created by Woke entitled minorities who are promoting their supremacy over old-guard WASP Americans (See https://warondomesticterrorism.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Complaint-to-IMF-Ethics-Committee-Quenby-Wilcox-1.pdf and https://quenby.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/email-to-de-rochefort-and-boqueria-mgt.-nov.-2023.pdf). The suggestion that the age of retirement for Social Security be extended would only serve to further marginalize older workers, who cannot find jobs in labor markets, creating another underclass and potentially homeless group of people.
I hope that these comments and suggestions will be read and noted by RFK, Jr.’s staff. I think his campaign manager and daughter-in-law, Amaryllis, as an expat (art dealer/CIA agent) might appreciate my ‘beef’ with the ‘soft diplomacy’ of American Embassies and Consulates, which include lots of parties, award ceremonies, and pomp and circumstance with the corporate ruling-elite and local govt. officials. In the meantime, all their ‘trailing spouses’ go shopping and hang-out in country clubs, and their kids are doing drugs in expensive private American schools, paid for with taxpayers or shareholders money. RFK, Jr. needs to focus not on just a new political platform, but promoting an entire new paradigm.
2. Venezuela, Latin American and Southern Borders - The damage that the socio-economic model of Bernard Mandeville and his fable of bees, is repeated time and time again, and the case of Venezuela is a perfect case in point. Decades ago, Venezuela had the most stable economy and society (comprised of a large middle class) in Latin America. However, that began to change under Chavez, and the problems have just been escalating, with the World Bank and IMF, and other implicated international agencies, scurrying around trying to figure out how they are going to deal with the crises they helped to create instead of to prevent, as is their job. (See https://quenbywilcox2.wixsite.com/takingbackamerica/post/my-beef-w-imf-icd-staff.)
Venezuela brings up the problems which has plagued Latin America for decades. And, while Latin Americans need to start assuming responsibility for problems in their country and stop blaming it all on Spanish imperialism followed by American imperialism, after their revolutions and separation from their ‘mother country’. The American govt. must stop its illegal and imperialistic ‘meddling’ in Latin American (and other countries and regions), and installation of puppet governments and dictatorship (alt-Right and alt-Left), whenever it suits their geo-political agendas at the moment. As I told the US State Dept. ‘civil servant’ at the US Embassy in Bogota in 1999, who was ‘selling’ ‘Plan Colombia’ to a group of members of the American Women’s Club of Bogota (chapter of the Federation of American Women’s Clubs Overseas (FAWCO)),
“It is all well and good to get rid of drug-production in producers countries. However, as long as its consumption is escalating in the US [and Europe], getting rid of production here will only transfer its production to another country. So what is the American govt. doing to combat rising drug consumption (and its many problems) in the US.”
The arrogant State Dept. civil servant responded, “What do you care lady! As long as we get rid of it here!” Unfortunately, I have been the ONLY member amongst ‘Expat Wives Clubs’ (American, British, French, Spanish, etc.) and ‘expat trailing spouse’ communities to be asking this questions for the past 30+ years, including former green party presidential candidate for the Colombian 2002 elections, Ingid Betancourt. These communities are filled with expatriates who move abroad for the financial benefits it affords rather than any dedication to sustainable development or egalitarian or democratic principles, particularly those in the corporate world or diplomatic services. In 2007, Pam Perraud of FAWCO and their CEDAW ‘expert’ at the UN, told me that with Global Expats (https://quenbywilcox2.wixsite.com/takingbackamerica/post/global-expats) I was just ‘reinventing the wheel’. However, as I told her, I am ‘fixing’ the wheel of the ‘Expat Wives Clubs’ which has been broken for a very long time!”
As the UN report, “Good practices in combating and eliminating violence against women,” states since violence against women occurs in cross-border context, it invites a cooperation of governments (and other stakeholders) in providing solutions. Unfortunately, as a filing with the International Criminal Courts (ICC) against family courts (who are handing over 70-90% of physically, sexually, and psychologically abused children to abusers) for Crimes Against Humanity (https://quenbywilcox2.wixsite.com/takingbackamerica/post/intl-criminal-court-icc-submission-against-family-courts-for-crimes-against-humanity). All of the ‘Expat Wives Clubs’ (FAWCO, IMF Family Assoc., World Bank Family Network, UN Local Expatriate Spouse Assoc., FIAFE, etc.) are well aware of the problem in family courts, my own case in Spain (www.WarOnDomesticTerrorism.com), and calls of Protective Mothers for family court reform, and Justice for victims. However, just like seen in the case of those claiming that RFK, Jr. is an ‘anti-vaxxer’ and ‘conspiratory theorist’ because he has looked at FACTS and EVIDENCE in his analysis of issues—all the members of the ‘Expat Wives Clubs’ and ‘expat trailing spouse’ groups have simply refused to examine any FACTS or EVIDENCE presented and their implications for foreign nationals involved in cross border litigation. Governments have the Responsibility to Protect their citizens under intl. law, and have the ability thru their consulates to do so thru their Consulates and Embassies as provided for in the Vienna Convention of Consular Relations (VCCR), 1964. The case is simple. However, implicated parties, including American Ambassador Caroline Kennedy, are simply refusing to acknowledge that a problem exists and even less that they have an obligation to ACT.
One of the commonalities amongst the expatriate ‘ruling-elite’ regardless of country or region, is that they are producing generation after generation of entitled, narcissists, whose pampered and spoilt upbringing make them incapable of confronting the small problems in life, much less the big ones; as explained by psychologist Twenge and Campbell in their book, ‘The Narcissism Epidemic: Living in the Age of Entitlement’ (2010). And, one of the consequences of the situation is the feelings of inadequacy, while at the same time under pressure to ‘succeed’ with high paying and high power jobs, is creating in society; as well as substance abuse and addictions, and sexual promiscuity, and psychological and over-consumption problems it is creating. Republican candidate Christie is correct in his contention that “pro-life should not stop at the womb, calling on the fed. govt. to continue supporting the well being of individuals through adulthood.” And, this includes protecting children from abuse and violence in homes, schools, communities, and everywhere else. The children’s rights communities and non-profits have been just as negligent in ‘achieving their goals’ as the human, civil, and women’s rights communities and non-profits. What societies and public policies of the conservatives and liberals need to focus on is preventing unwanted pregnancies and the necessity for unwanted abortion, rather than promoting sexual promiscuity and abortion as another form of birth control by the Left, and the idea that women’s wombs belong to the ‘state’ and ‘society’ and not to her.
In reference to the issues raised, I would like to highlight several points which RFK, Jr. should consider in addressing the same questions and problems covered in the debate.
1. Middle East and Wars – The fundamental problems in the Middle East go back over a century and European imperialism, industrial revolution, and rise of bourgeoisie and compulsive and excessive consumption, and over indebtedness and misallocation of resources while concentrating wealth in the hands of a few industrialist and mercantile ruling-elite. The wealth of the Middle East from its natural resources were not sugar and tobacco plantation, forests for lumber, fertile soil for sustenance crops, or opium fields, as elsewhere, but rather their oil reserves. The ‘modernization’ of these countries followed the Western imperialist model and concentrated great wealth in the hands of the monarchies and ruling-elite. Their development did little to benefit to the lower classes, who continued to live in poverty and misery, without the basics of clean water, clean air, food, housing, and education—with ‘charity for a few’ the solution always offered. The socio-economic development of past centuries has NOT changed, because the mentality and modus operandi of the actors—regardless of race, nationality, religion, gender, or other—has not changed. As long as the aggressive competition of conquer or be conquered, with all the spoils going to the conqueror, continues to dominate societies, the unending wars and revolutions will continue.
While conservatives have been focused on exploitation of natural resources and concentration in the hands of corporations and a few billionaires, the liberals have been promoting Woke propaganda and ideologies (feminist and ‘minoritist’ supremacy)—with both side promoting Western egocentric of the ‘Great American Dream’ of the Reaganomics Golden Age (and ‘Golden Ages’ going back centuries). The Middle and Far East have been following the lead of British/American style ‘modernization’ since the industrial revolution began. And, the World Bank, IMF, and UN, instead of overseeing and regulating governments and corporate oligarchs, as taxpayers around the world are paying them billions of dollars/euros/pounds/yen/etc. to do; they have been colluding with government agencies and corporate oligarchs, to perpetuate the policies and practices which are leading to unstable economies, exploited and oppressed societies, civil unrest and revolutions, along with Wars between nations seeking global dominance. The US State Dept., CIA, and Pentagon (and their European counterparts) have been working in tandem with the international community, which all have become as politicized and filled with extremist factions of the alt-Right and alt-Left, as everyone else in DC.
The Wars will only cease, when the excessive spending on luxury and semi luxury goods of the ‘upper crust’, while encouraging the masses to live like the ‘rich and famous’ in shopping malls, country clubs, and ivory-tower condos or gate communities, and jet-setting in private airplanes and yachts—CEASE. Consumer markets in high-income countries are flooded with products and services that they do not need or want, yet bankruptcy building businesspeople and entrepreneurs, con-artists and winners of Woke ‘reality show’ type contests, like Prince Andrew’s Pitch@Palace are given favoritism in investment decisions, public, private, and hybrid. The capital venture market is as much a protection racket as the banking system and financial markets, with serial entrepreneurs, bankers, financiers, and regulators laughing all the way to the bank.
One well-aimed nuclear strike on the Iranian presidential palace puts everybody in the right frame of mind to de-escalate the situation. To quote Putin, it is a method of diplomacy known as "escalation to de-escalate". There is no justification for sending tens of millions to their deaths in a drawn-out World War now we have nuclear weapons (and both Russia and China are showing no signs of calling the Americans off). The thing about a conflict starting with a terror attack against an American ally puts America in the driver's seat. All nuclear powers are signatories to an agreement stating they won't start a nuclear war over a conflict started by a terror attack from their lesser allies. America may use nuclear, if needed, to de-escalate the situation in such a scenario and all the indications are that Russia and China are abiding by that agreement. The logic being only the superpowers should be starting nuclear wars where a nuclear war starts. Lesser players shouldn't be able to create strife in an endeavour to start a nuclear war. Obviously we all hope a nuclear war doesnt start but a nuclear strike isnt necessarily a bad or anti-peace move if conducted as de-escalation. There is no point having nuclear weapons if you arent willing to use them. That would be the equivalent of keeping Babe Ruth sitting in the dugout for the entire World Series.
Kennedy just did full fledge support to Israel: he is no different. For a candidate on a Truth platform, he seems to refuse to look with open eyes at what is going on with Israel. He is in denial. His loyalties are with Israel which makes him dangerous and not for our military. Interesting he just said he was pro veterans and pro peace, and then backed Israel’s insane reaction. Even Col. Macgregor has said they’re all compromised. Didn’t Kennedy just call for censorship against the pro- Palestinian protesters ? Source Kim Iversen.
Since the midterms and ongoing the Republicans in Congress and all of these candidates have been de facto supporters of the Biden regime by their failure to talk about the crimes of the administration.
By means of utterly fake FDA approvals more that 250000 American died from the worthless shots in 2021 alone, with injuries exceeding that by orders of magnitude. A good fraction of 1M Americans were euthanized in or militarized COVID hospital wards, facilitated by Remdesivir. This was nothing less than the American version of MAID. We had a leg up on Canada.
The Brookes Jackson case, because of the dismissal and not in spite of it, demonstrated beyond all dispute the fraud embodied by the COVID “vaccine” deployment.
Bobby has to address the commentary on Israel/Hamas aired by Brighteon host Mike Adams.
I am a maximum donor to the campaign losing interest because of Bobby’s current position.
Note that the Hamas butchery was a false flag engineered by Netanyahu and Mossad to justify in the eyes of the Israeli and American public the military destruction now ongoing in Gaza. Netanyahu has funneled money to Hamas to create division among Palestinians belonging to PLO and other factions.
Shutting down energy production in the US and funding Israel as a means to assure Middle East oil supplies is disingenuous as an environmental policy. Do we protect our environment by encouraging others to destroy theirs?
If you think nuclear energy sources can blow up, how much more explosive is Middle East oil?
The US MUST return to energy independence. There are several steps:
1. Fund innovation to render fracking less dangerous and damaging. Don’t tell me it can’t be done as an interim measure without data.
2. Fund innovation in scrubbers and coal sourcing to achieve zero mercury emissions. Can it be done? Let’s see the data.
3. Fund deployment of miniature, self contained nuclear reactors that do not require cooling pools but can service entire campuses and neighbor hoods for decades with zero emissions and unprecedented safety both in operation and ease of storage.
4. Expand the grid over a 10 year period to facilitate energy sources where practical … I’m not sure about remote wind farms but let’s see the data and impact.
5. Bring the money home to upgrade infrastructure including hydrogen cell energy for large public transpiration hubs. Hydrogen cells don’t work on your car but a stationary facility can replace electric plants and diesel. We can reduce traffic with expanded public transportation and work at home several days a week.
In other words revert to energy independence with a solid plan to phase out fossil fuel production over a decade or more. A flash cut is impossible without the unacceptable risks of Middle East oil dependence.
Bring Dennis back to the campaign with this plan and tell Boteach to take a hike. His appearance in Philly was inconsistent with “independence,”
The current posture is so bad, we took up our lawn signs. Get our from
under the thumb of the Israeli/Mossad/CIA Oligarchy telling you what to do and we’ll put the signs back. Another max donation in 2024 is off the table unless we see a change to sensible policy proposals.
Talk to Scott Ritter and COL MacGregor again and get your ideas aligned with their inputs as you did with Ukraine. They know more than you.
“Enough of these warmongers. Let’s bring that money back home. #GOPDebate #Kennedy24”
Such a bizarre comment from RFK Jr. As far as I know RFk Jr supports the billions congress sends to Israel every year and the billions more they plan to send this year to fund the war the Israeli government is waging, substantially against civilians. It’s great that he doesn’t want to go to war with Iran, but it’s foolish to think that sending billions of American taxes to the Israeli government won’t increase the chances of that.
How about not being a hypocrite Bobby? Let’s bring that tax money we are giving to the Israeli government back home.
Rfk jr *is* a warmonger right now in his belligerent support of the the Israeli government. Has something changed that I missed?
Yeah his position on Iran Venezuela and China are also the same as the establishment.
Even this article pushes bullshit on Venezuela.
Jimmy Dore nails it here
https://youtu.be/q_tFUAUJuNo
I’m not really a Jimmy Dore fan, but I agree with him that RFK Jrs foreign policy positions are largely garbage that sound like they come from a memo by John Bolton.
Heartbreaking Bobby is not opposing the genocide in Gaza.. this is not a war it is ethnic cleansing and Colonial oppression on par with the Holocaust that Zionists use to pretend it is about Judaism.
Rfk sounds like the war mongers when it comes to Venezuela Iran China and Israel...
Jimmy Dore lays it out.
https://youtu.be/q_tFUAUJuNo
Screw Youtube and their censorship JD has Rumble & Rokfin channels to use instead.
https://www.rokfin.com/TheJimmyDoreShow
https://rumble.com/c/TheJimmyDoreShow
Please, Stop saying Israel against Hamas. Is Israel against the people and children of Gaza. RFK should stand up firm against this horrible war too. One thing is Israel and another is supporting bands of fanatics Zionist and Hamas warmongers in power.
Stop confusing reality. This is not a war which implies to armies fighting each other in the name of political State. israel has been drooling for the opportunity to assault Gaza in a major way for years and their leaders say this over and over again. Hamas did not seek imperialist goals when they breached the 'security' fence. Their stated goal was to capture IDF people and use them to gain release of the hostages Israel kidnapped holding them without charges and torturing them. Israel on the other hand, having advance warning from Egypt of an event happening, told the IDF to stand down and used the deaths of a few Israelis as a False Flag in order to invade Gaza and destroy it and the people.
I notice today a drop in the Israel deaths from 1400 to 1200. Am waiting for real numbers which will be around 700 with 1/2 of those being IDF and hardly any children (less than 20 or 25). Compared to the intentional assault on children in Gaza, this is a very small number.
Also to be noted is that when the fence was breached it was not only Hamas that entered Israel but many Palestinians who had never been outside the open air prison in which they were born and struggled to live. I suspect that many civilian deaths were from these people who had been sitting on rage for years as they watched the way Israel slaughtered their families and maimed their entire population, destroying all their social institutions.
RFK lost many supporters over his ignorant position on Israel that supports their fascism and planned genocide! If he was concerned about the power of AIPAC he could have kept his mouth shut on the issue instead of so strongly asserting total support for Israel. He really needs to deal with this problem of his lack of knowledge and understanding.
he lost my support
Please remember who moderated the debate and decided the questions. NBC!! Who wanted nothing more than to make Repubs look as hawkish as possible, thus making "Genocide Joe" look reasonable.
And the points made on most of these idiots on the Republican stage explains why Trump is ahead. I like him and Kennedy as they are both against war. Remember that Trump ordered all troops home from Syria and the Pentagon largely disobeyed this order. If Kennedy or Trump wins, I pray they can stay our of a war and find a way to get all troops home.
Sounds like a good summary of the debate so thank you RFK for doing this. I would not have the stomach to have sat thru this event.
One thing that struck me was the focus on foreign affairs compared to previous years and the tendency to focus on local cultural issues instead of real bread and butter ones that actually do affect people's life. And they did reveal their war mongering craziness with little to no concern for the general public. I guess focusing on Ukraine or Israel seems safer to this crew than discussing the divisive social issues as they usually do.
RFK Jr: "These guys seem to be in full agreement that we should escalate this war and bomb Iran. Seriously? Is that what we want? Am I missing something? "
Yeah he certainly is. Does he not see the direct connection between not ending the conflagration in Gaza immediately and the obvious possibility of war with Iran if it continues? He seemed smarter than this, but now I don't know. I've been operating under the assumption that since he has not called for an immediate ceasefire followed by peace talks and instead seems just fine with Genocide Joe's position that he was also ok with war with Iran. I continue to be massively disappointed in RFK Jr.
"I've been operating under the assumption that since he has not called for an immediate ceasefire followed by peace talks and instead seems just fine with Genocide Joe's position..."
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Recently, (Rumble 11/9/23 “RFK Jr. Pushes WORLD WAR III Over OIL!” @12:40), Jimmy Dore discussed RFK's Nov 3rd tweet thanking Jeffery Sach's for tweeting, 'By coming out for urgent diplomacy and peace in Israel and Ukraine, RFK, Jr will do the right thing and win the election, hands down.' Thanks Jeff!”
Ironically, the previous day, on Nov 2nd, the "Kennedy Beacon" Substack (Pro-RFK "American Values 2024" Super PAC) censored Jeremy Sach's call for diplomacy & peace! A few hours after his thoughtful article, "Israel’s Chance to Turn Carnage into Peace" -- Friends Do Not Let Friends Commit Crimes Against Humanity, was posted onto the “Beacon” substack, it was deleted! *1
Sachs concluded by writing: "If Israel swallows Netanyahu’s poison *2 that “this is a time for war,” Israel will isolate itself from the rest of the world and pay a devastating price. ... Israel’s friends, starting with the U.S., must help it choose diplomacy over war. Friends do not let friends commit crimes against humanity, much less provide them with the finances and arms to do so."
RFK himself has long suffered from censorship on vaccine issues, etc. Considering RFK's anti-censorship position, it's rather ironic RFK's Super PAC censored itself!
RFK claims he is “telling the truth to the American people” ... except for Palestine? Since May, when he backtracked on his praise for Roger Walters, his stance on Israel-Palestine has lacked the nuance, truth telling, and open-mindedness RFK has displayed on other important issues. Last Summer, RFK promised Jimmy Dore he would debate/talk with Max Blumenthal. So far, RFK hasn't (just like Dr. Peter Hotez has ducked debating RFK on vaccines).
Will RFK ever come out for “diplomacy & peace... will [he] do the right thing...?” Hopefully, … but I've almost lost hope for him as a “peace” & “truth teller” candidate. He's missed so many chances.
Perhaps Jimmy Dore should interview Jeremy Sachs again? It would be interesting to hear his perspective on RFK's Israel/Gaza position.
*1: You can find the "Page Not Found" link by "Googling": "Kennedy Beacon" "Israel's Chance to Turn Carnage into Peace". Sach's article can still be found on the "Common Dreams" website.
*2: During his televised announcement of the Gaza ground invasion Prime Minister Netanyahu said, "You must remember what Amalek has done to you, says our Holy Bible"; referring to Samuel 15:3, literally "going Biblical" on Gaza: https://twitter.com/mtracey/status/1718360354764238929
I had MSNBC on yesterday to hear about the Israeli/Hamas war. The first time I ever heard anyone bring up RFK, Jr. in the last months as a candidate. I was appalled when the person leading the election stated that RFK, Jr. was the anti-vax candidate and then went right on speaking about the other candidates.
and that is exactly why it is a total waste of time to ever listen to MSNBC or any of the fake news channels. They are programming you and even call it as such...
how true. I rarely watch it, but newspapers are the same. I just like to know my rels in Israel are ok
opps, I meant to say "the person leading the discussion(not the election).
The morons shouting Antisemitism are too stupid, too ignorant or too Bought and Paid for or Blackmailed to realize Arabs, including Palestinians, are Semites and make-up over 98% of Semites. Kennedy knows better but supports the BS narrative. Some Freedom Fighter.
And no I am not Arabic and I am partially Jewish. WHAT IS THE TRUTH CANNOT BE DEFEATED!!!
Mr. Sturgess,
3. The Cost-of-Living, Economic Problems, Balance Budget and Social Security – The cost-of-living and economic problems of the US are related and inter-dependent. None of these problems will be solved until American consumers STOP over-spending and over-indebting themselves, as is the case with all of the govt. agencies in their, and their employees, spending. In order to address the problems of excessive consumer spending celebrities, socialites, civil servants, and ‘social media influencers’ need to stop selling the lifestyle of the ‘rich and famous’ as the ‘Great American Dream’, while turning a blind-eye to the plight of the masses, and ‘cancelling’ anyone who loses his or her ‘fortune’ or becomes involved in ‘unpleasantness’-like was done with Prince Andrew and the British Royal family in the Virginia Guiffre affair. The marie-antoinette and Queen Elizabth mentality of the ‘Real Housewives’ as much as ‘breaking glass ceiling’ career women MUST STOP. And the ‘back-bone’ of society, the wives and mothers of upper-, middle- and lower-class homemakers, whose work is neither recognized or appreciated. must be given a Voice in society and public policy discussions of the ‘experts’. After all, it is the LIVES of these women and their children that all the ‘experts’ are ‘discussing’. The ‘breaking glass ceiling’ career women are just as misogynistic towards, homemakers, as the male-supremacists, and why they often ally with their ‘enemies’ the feminists, in oppressing homemakers and their children.
One of the first rules of order in reducing spending in government agencies (at local, state, and federal levels) is slashing of budgetary allowances for all of the millions of conferences, seminars, workshops, retreats, coaching, and other parties for civil servants to ‘chew the fat’ and schmooze with ‘experts’ from alt-Left Work or fascist alt-Right academia, think tanks, and corporate directors that are costing taxpayers untold billions. Furthermore, HR departments and the Woke ideologies, and concentration of jobs into young workers and recent college grads (with DEI policies (aka Discrimination, Elimination, and Intimidation)), while openly discriminating against older workers, in violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, must cease and desist. Not only is it empowering a younger generation, who have not been properly prepared and educated by their parents, schools, and society, to be productive and civically minded workers and citizens, but it is encouraging gerontophobia, and hate crimes against the elderly, as well as resentment of the elderly for American youth. It is the same vicious cycle that is being created by Woke entitled minorities who are promoting their supremacy over old-guard WASP Americans (See https://warondomesticterrorism.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/04/Complaint-to-IMF-Ethics-Committee-Quenby-Wilcox-1.pdf and https://quenby.files.wordpress.com/2020/04/email-to-de-rochefort-and-boqueria-mgt.-nov.-2023.pdf). The suggestion that the age of retirement for Social Security be extended would only serve to further marginalize older workers, who cannot find jobs in labor markets, creating another underclass and potentially homeless group of people.
I hope that these comments and suggestions will be read and noted by RFK, Jr.’s staff. I think his campaign manager and daughter-in-law, Amaryllis, as an expat (art dealer/CIA agent) might appreciate my ‘beef’ with the ‘soft diplomacy’ of American Embassies and Consulates, which include lots of parties, award ceremonies, and pomp and circumstance with the corporate ruling-elite and local govt. officials. In the meantime, all their ‘trailing spouses’ go shopping and hang-out in country clubs, and their kids are doing drugs in expensive private American schools, paid for with taxpayers or shareholders money. RFK, Jr. needs to focus not on just a new political platform, but promoting an entire new paradigm.
Mr. Sturgess,
2. Venezuela, Latin American and Southern Borders - The damage that the socio-economic model of Bernard Mandeville and his fable of bees, is repeated time and time again, and the case of Venezuela is a perfect case in point. Decades ago, Venezuela had the most stable economy and society (comprised of a large middle class) in Latin America. However, that began to change under Chavez, and the problems have just been escalating, with the World Bank and IMF, and other implicated international agencies, scurrying around trying to figure out how they are going to deal with the crises they helped to create instead of to prevent, as is their job. (See https://quenbywilcox2.wixsite.com/takingbackamerica/post/my-beef-w-imf-icd-staff.)
Venezuela brings up the problems which has plagued Latin America for decades. And, while Latin Americans need to start assuming responsibility for problems in their country and stop blaming it all on Spanish imperialism followed by American imperialism, after their revolutions and separation from their ‘mother country’. The American govt. must stop its illegal and imperialistic ‘meddling’ in Latin American (and other countries and regions), and installation of puppet governments and dictatorship (alt-Right and alt-Left), whenever it suits their geo-political agendas at the moment. As I told the US State Dept. ‘civil servant’ at the US Embassy in Bogota in 1999, who was ‘selling’ ‘Plan Colombia’ to a group of members of the American Women’s Club of Bogota (chapter of the Federation of American Women’s Clubs Overseas (FAWCO)),
“It is all well and good to get rid of drug-production in producers countries. However, as long as its consumption is escalating in the US [and Europe], getting rid of production here will only transfer its production to another country. So what is the American govt. doing to combat rising drug consumption (and its many problems) in the US.”
The arrogant State Dept. civil servant responded, “What do you care lady! As long as we get rid of it here!” Unfortunately, I have been the ONLY member amongst ‘Expat Wives Clubs’ (American, British, French, Spanish, etc.) and ‘expat trailing spouse’ communities to be asking this questions for the past 30+ years, including former green party presidential candidate for the Colombian 2002 elections, Ingid Betancourt. These communities are filled with expatriates who move abroad for the financial benefits it affords rather than any dedication to sustainable development or egalitarian or democratic principles, particularly those in the corporate world or diplomatic services. In 2007, Pam Perraud of FAWCO and their CEDAW ‘expert’ at the UN, told me that with Global Expats (https://quenbywilcox2.wixsite.com/takingbackamerica/post/global-expats) I was just ‘reinventing the wheel’. However, as I told her, I am ‘fixing’ the wheel of the ‘Expat Wives Clubs’ which has been broken for a very long time!”
As the UN report, “Good practices in combating and eliminating violence against women,” states since violence against women occurs in cross-border context, it invites a cooperation of governments (and other stakeholders) in providing solutions. Unfortunately, as a filing with the International Criminal Courts (ICC) against family courts (who are handing over 70-90% of physically, sexually, and psychologically abused children to abusers) for Crimes Against Humanity (https://quenbywilcox2.wixsite.com/takingbackamerica/post/intl-criminal-court-icc-submission-against-family-courts-for-crimes-against-humanity). All of the ‘Expat Wives Clubs’ (FAWCO, IMF Family Assoc., World Bank Family Network, UN Local Expatriate Spouse Assoc., FIAFE, etc.) are well aware of the problem in family courts, my own case in Spain (www.WarOnDomesticTerrorism.com), and calls of Protective Mothers for family court reform, and Justice for victims. However, just like seen in the case of those claiming that RFK, Jr. is an ‘anti-vaxxer’ and ‘conspiratory theorist’ because he has looked at FACTS and EVIDENCE in his analysis of issues—all the members of the ‘Expat Wives Clubs’ and ‘expat trailing spouse’ groups have simply refused to examine any FACTS or EVIDENCE presented and their implications for foreign nationals involved in cross border litigation. Governments have the Responsibility to Protect their citizens under intl. law, and have the ability thru their consulates to do so thru their Consulates and Embassies as provided for in the Vienna Convention of Consular Relations (VCCR), 1964. The case is simple. However, implicated parties, including American Ambassador Caroline Kennedy, are simply refusing to acknowledge that a problem exists and even less that they have an obligation to ACT.
One of the commonalities amongst the expatriate ‘ruling-elite’ regardless of country or region, is that they are producing generation after generation of entitled, narcissists, whose pampered and spoilt upbringing make them incapable of confronting the small problems in life, much less the big ones; as explained by psychologist Twenge and Campbell in their book, ‘The Narcissism Epidemic: Living in the Age of Entitlement’ (2010). And, one of the consequences of the situation is the feelings of inadequacy, while at the same time under pressure to ‘succeed’ with high paying and high power jobs, is creating in society; as well as substance abuse and addictions, and sexual promiscuity, and psychological and over-consumption problems it is creating. Republican candidate Christie is correct in his contention that “pro-life should not stop at the womb, calling on the fed. govt. to continue supporting the well being of individuals through adulthood.” And, this includes protecting children from abuse and violence in homes, schools, communities, and everywhere else. The children’s rights communities and non-profits have been just as negligent in ‘achieving their goals’ as the human, civil, and women’s rights communities and non-profits. What societies and public policies of the conservatives and liberals need to focus on is preventing unwanted pregnancies and the necessity for unwanted abortion, rather than promoting sexual promiscuity and abortion as another form of birth control by the Left, and the idea that women’s wombs belong to the ‘state’ and ‘society’ and not to her.
Mr. Sturgess,
In reference to the issues raised, I would like to highlight several points which RFK, Jr. should consider in addressing the same questions and problems covered in the debate.
1. Middle East and Wars – The fundamental problems in the Middle East go back over a century and European imperialism, industrial revolution, and rise of bourgeoisie and compulsive and excessive consumption, and over indebtedness and misallocation of resources while concentrating wealth in the hands of a few industrialist and mercantile ruling-elite. The wealth of the Middle East from its natural resources were not sugar and tobacco plantation, forests for lumber, fertile soil for sustenance crops, or opium fields, as elsewhere, but rather their oil reserves. The ‘modernization’ of these countries followed the Western imperialist model and concentrated great wealth in the hands of the monarchies and ruling-elite. Their development did little to benefit to the lower classes, who continued to live in poverty and misery, without the basics of clean water, clean air, food, housing, and education—with ‘charity for a few’ the solution always offered. The socio-economic development of past centuries has NOT changed, because the mentality and modus operandi of the actors—regardless of race, nationality, religion, gender, or other—has not changed. As long as the aggressive competition of conquer or be conquered, with all the spoils going to the conqueror, continues to dominate societies, the unending wars and revolutions will continue.
While conservatives have been focused on exploitation of natural resources and concentration in the hands of corporations and a few billionaires, the liberals have been promoting Woke propaganda and ideologies (feminist and ‘minoritist’ supremacy)—with both side promoting Western egocentric of the ‘Great American Dream’ of the Reaganomics Golden Age (and ‘Golden Ages’ going back centuries). The Middle and Far East have been following the lead of British/American style ‘modernization’ since the industrial revolution began. And, the World Bank, IMF, and UN, instead of overseeing and regulating governments and corporate oligarchs, as taxpayers around the world are paying them billions of dollars/euros/pounds/yen/etc. to do; they have been colluding with government agencies and corporate oligarchs, to perpetuate the policies and practices which are leading to unstable economies, exploited and oppressed societies, civil unrest and revolutions, along with Wars between nations seeking global dominance. The US State Dept., CIA, and Pentagon (and their European counterparts) have been working in tandem with the international community, which all have become as politicized and filled with extremist factions of the alt-Right and alt-Left, as everyone else in DC.
The Wars will only cease, when the excessive spending on luxury and semi luxury goods of the ‘upper crust’, while encouraging the masses to live like the ‘rich and famous’ in shopping malls, country clubs, and ivory-tower condos or gate communities, and jet-setting in private airplanes and yachts—CEASE. Consumer markets in high-income countries are flooded with products and services that they do not need or want, yet bankruptcy building businesspeople and entrepreneurs, con-artists and winners of Woke ‘reality show’ type contests, like Prince Andrew’s Pitch@Palace are given favoritism in investment decisions, public, private, and hybrid. The capital venture market is as much a protection racket as the banking system and financial markets, with serial entrepreneurs, bankers, financiers, and regulators laughing all the way to the bank.
One well-aimed nuclear strike on the Iranian presidential palace puts everybody in the right frame of mind to de-escalate the situation. To quote Putin, it is a method of diplomacy known as "escalation to de-escalate". There is no justification for sending tens of millions to their deaths in a drawn-out World War now we have nuclear weapons (and both Russia and China are showing no signs of calling the Americans off). The thing about a conflict starting with a terror attack against an American ally puts America in the driver's seat. All nuclear powers are signatories to an agreement stating they won't start a nuclear war over a conflict started by a terror attack from their lesser allies. America may use nuclear, if needed, to de-escalate the situation in such a scenario and all the indications are that Russia and China are abiding by that agreement. The logic being only the superpowers should be starting nuclear wars where a nuclear war starts. Lesser players shouldn't be able to create strife in an endeavour to start a nuclear war. Obviously we all hope a nuclear war doesnt start but a nuclear strike isnt necessarily a bad or anti-peace move if conducted as de-escalation. There is no point having nuclear weapons if you arent willing to use them. That would be the equivalent of keeping Babe Ruth sitting in the dugout for the entire World Series.
Kennedy just did full fledge support to Israel: he is no different. For a candidate on a Truth platform, he seems to refuse to look with open eyes at what is going on with Israel. He is in denial. His loyalties are with Israel which makes him dangerous and not for our military. Interesting he just said he was pro veterans and pro peace, and then backed Israel’s insane reaction. Even Col. Macgregor has said they’re all compromised. Didn’t Kennedy just call for censorship against the pro- Palestinian protesters ? Source Kim Iversen.
Since the midterms and ongoing the Republicans in Congress and all of these candidates have been de facto supporters of the Biden regime by their failure to talk about the crimes of the administration.
By means of utterly fake FDA approvals more that 250000 American died from the worthless shots in 2021 alone, with injuries exceeding that by orders of magnitude. A good fraction of 1M Americans were euthanized in or militarized COVID hospital wards, facilitated by Remdesivir. This was nothing less than the American version of MAID. We had a leg up on Canada.
The Brookes Jackson case, because of the dismissal and not in spite of it, demonstrated beyond all dispute the fraud embodied by the COVID “vaccine” deployment.
Bobby has to address the commentary on Israel/Hamas aired by Brighteon host Mike Adams.
I am a maximum donor to the campaign losing interest because of Bobby’s current position.
Note that the Hamas butchery was a false flag engineered by Netanyahu and Mossad to justify in the eyes of the Israeli and American public the military destruction now ongoing in Gaza. Netanyahu has funneled money to Hamas to create division among Palestinians belonging to PLO and other factions.
Shutting down energy production in the US and funding Israel as a means to assure Middle East oil supplies is disingenuous as an environmental policy. Do we protect our environment by encouraging others to destroy theirs?
If you think nuclear energy sources can blow up, how much more explosive is Middle East oil?
The US MUST return to energy independence. There are several steps:
1. Fund innovation to render fracking less dangerous and damaging. Don’t tell me it can’t be done as an interim measure without data.
2. Fund innovation in scrubbers and coal sourcing to achieve zero mercury emissions. Can it be done? Let’s see the data.
3. Fund deployment of miniature, self contained nuclear reactors that do not require cooling pools but can service entire campuses and neighbor hoods for decades with zero emissions and unprecedented safety both in operation and ease of storage.
4. Expand the grid over a 10 year period to facilitate energy sources where practical … I’m not sure about remote wind farms but let’s see the data and impact.
5. Bring the money home to upgrade infrastructure including hydrogen cell energy for large public transpiration hubs. Hydrogen cells don’t work on your car but a stationary facility can replace electric plants and diesel. We can reduce traffic with expanded public transportation and work at home several days a week.
In other words revert to energy independence with a solid plan to phase out fossil fuel production over a decade or more. A flash cut is impossible without the unacceptable risks of Middle East oil dependence.
Bring Dennis back to the campaign with this plan and tell Boteach to take a hike. His appearance in Philly was inconsistent with “independence,”
The current posture is so bad, we took up our lawn signs. Get our from
under the thumb of the Israeli/Mossad/CIA Oligarchy telling you what to do and we’ll put the signs back. Another max donation in 2024 is off the table unless we see a change to sensible policy proposals.
Talk to Scott Ritter and COL MacGregor again and get your ideas aligned with their inputs as you did with Ukraine. They know more than you.