Good idea--one that has already been in use for some time. Remember the seed oil ag business was created to replace healthy coconut oil and real butter as it was cheap, easy, and produced lots of oils for the food industry. Coconut oil and butter were attacked as bad fats that caused cholesterol without a single study to prove this false claim. Today despite all the research and dietary focus on healthy eating I find many people know nothing about the healthfulness of coconut oil or real butter from grass fed animals and they are afraid of these oils still believing the industry lies.
I worry a little bit about the effect of the increased demand for coconut oil on those tropical areas that produce coconuts. Beef tallow is a better replacement, I suppose, that won't result in dead orangutans.
Louis Dreyfus company is currently building a $400 million canola seed crushing facility in Canada. It will be crushing 4 billion pounds of canola seeds a year. These oils can be used to produce sustainable aviation fuel.
Imagine all vehicles having diesel engines driving in traffic smelling as fries, fish, chicken and making everybody hungry. Could result with tremendous challenges to both weight gain and personal budgets. Then what?
I love the creativity and focus on vectoring vs. blocking, repurposing and reformulating, rather than banning. Bring the businesses along with you rather than trying to take them out. There has been some deep thinking going on behind these efforts.
Ok. Maybe an initial gain. But perhaps Mr. Kennedy might take a deeper look into Steak n Shakes menu items. The fries might be cooked in tallow, but what about the spuds themselves? It seems they might be covered in all sorts of 'stuff" - https://x.com/andrealynn_rn2/status/1899470322891452588
Where is the tallow sourced? Feed lot cows? Is it adulterated or not, with other unknown oils?
And 'shakes'? America long ago stopped making shakes from natural, let alone somewhat healthy ingredients.
He is probably aware but also- baby steps. I bet these companies realize that they have to overhaul ALL their foods and food sources. I think we will see changes across the board.
One tiny step forward. The biggest value I see is actually getting changes happening and people talking about it. We have a long, long way to go before our "food" is anywhere close to healthy.
While Kennedy's goals are good and long overdue catching up to all of us who have been eating clean diets for many years, he needs to learn a lot more. Beef tallow may sound better than the GMO/glyphosate, high inflammatory Omega 6 seed oils, but it is beef and many who eat with friends/family at fast food places are vegetarians. He also needs to look at how beef cattle are raised on CAFO farms. They are fed GMO grains very often and are treated with chemical drugs instead for the high rate of disease in those toxic environments. Thus beef tallow sounds pretty toxic and gross to me. Coconut oil is far better as it can be chemical free, inexpensive to use, can handle high heat and is very healthy consisting of medium chain fatty acids which are good for you, especially the brain. But given the very high level of garbage foods in fast food places, maybe beef tallow, while discriminatory against non-meat eaters, may help slow down the inflammatory conditions caused by Omega-6 seed oils. I just hope he deals with real holistic practitioners and researchers before jumping on one band wagon or another.
There's this way of thinking that making something better isn't good enough unless it's perfect. I am a proponent of stepwise refinement, starting with something meaningful and relatively easy. Then take the next step.
Absolutely agree about anything coming from CAFO operations, beef, pork, chicken, fish...whatever.
But, tallow, and lard, from pasture raised finished sources is probably one of the best cooking 'oil' sources around. It's what our ancestors grew up with, along with the meat products themselves.
Do a favorite search engine search for street scenes from 1920/1930 even into the forties and fifties. Fat people were an anomaly.
Well, I doubt a place called Steak & Shake would be a preferred eatery for vegetarians, but point taken.
(TMI warning) And what of omega-6 essential fatty acids that are properly pressed, packaged, and stored, such as grapeseed oil? Having relativley low omega-6 in my fiet, cold-pressed grapeseed oil is important to balance omega-3, or it's literally a pain in the ass, i.e., I get hemorrhoids.
Thank you Adam and thank you Bobby. Baby steps. Love that people are becoming more and more aware of the problem with the food we eat. A GREAT place to start is French fries!! Definitely a favorite of many people and therefore they may start looking at the food they eat and becoming informed about what has happened with our food industry. Keep it up, Bobby.
I have lived with the cooking within my family for over 50 years. And what did my grandmothers and mother cook with? Tallow and lard. It's kept my family and me healthy for generations.
Seed oils make good cleaners for oil-based stuff like tar, and certain properly processed and handled ones are the best non-animal based or least expensive sources of essential fatty acids for those who need more than they get in their diet. So, I don't support banning them, but rather, health warnings for those that are not produced, pacakged, and handled in a way as to be healthy to consume.
Change will take time and we have to start somewhere. Frying oil is a good place, although making it "pastured" tallow would be even better for health and the climate. Having a clear vision for what we want America's food system to become would help guide policy. We suggest local, unprocessed, and regenerative will best support MAHA and the rebuilding of local economies. https://livingwelllocally.substack.com/p/real-food-as-good-medicine
I wonder what is going to happen to seed oil processing plants. Maybe they can transition to creating biofuel for diesel engines.
Good idea--one that has already been in use for some time. Remember the seed oil ag business was created to replace healthy coconut oil and real butter as it was cheap, easy, and produced lots of oils for the food industry. Coconut oil and butter were attacked as bad fats that caused cholesterol without a single study to prove this false claim. Today despite all the research and dietary focus on healthy eating I find many people know nothing about the healthfulness of coconut oil or real butter from grass fed animals and they are afraid of these oils still believing the industry lies.
Deprogramming anyone?
I worry a little bit about the effect of the increased demand for coconut oil on those tropical areas that produce coconuts. Beef tallow is a better replacement, I suppose, that won't result in dead orangutans.
Louis Dreyfus company is currently building a $400 million canola seed crushing facility in Canada. It will be crushing 4 billion pounds of canola seeds a year. These oils can be used to produce sustainable aviation fuel.
Refined seed oils are also better, cheaper, and safer cleaners of oil-based paint, tar, gum, and such than harsh solvents.
Imagine all vehicles having diesel engines driving in traffic smelling as fries, fish, chicken and making everybody hungry. Could result with tremendous challenges to both weight gain and personal budgets. Then what?
I love the creativity and focus on vectoring vs. blocking, repurposing and reformulating, rather than banning. Bring the businesses along with you rather than trying to take them out. There has been some deep thinking going on behind these efforts.
Ok. Maybe an initial gain. But perhaps Mr. Kennedy might take a deeper look into Steak n Shakes menu items. The fries might be cooked in tallow, but what about the spuds themselves? It seems they might be covered in all sorts of 'stuff" - https://x.com/andrealynn_rn2/status/1899470322891452588
Where is the tallow sourced? Feed lot cows? Is it adulterated or not, with other unknown oils?
And 'shakes'? America long ago stopped making shakes from natural, let alone somewhat healthy ingredients.
I get the PR. But let's be realistic.
He is probably aware but also- baby steps. I bet these companies realize that they have to overhaul ALL their foods and food sources. I think we will see changes across the board.
Realistic? Was any of this realistic two months ago?
One tiny step forward. The biggest value I see is actually getting changes happening and people talking about it. We have a long, long way to go before our "food" is anywhere close to healthy.
Any chance McDonalds will use better cooking oil?
While Kennedy's goals are good and long overdue catching up to all of us who have been eating clean diets for many years, he needs to learn a lot more. Beef tallow may sound better than the GMO/glyphosate, high inflammatory Omega 6 seed oils, but it is beef and many who eat with friends/family at fast food places are vegetarians. He also needs to look at how beef cattle are raised on CAFO farms. They are fed GMO grains very often and are treated with chemical drugs instead for the high rate of disease in those toxic environments. Thus beef tallow sounds pretty toxic and gross to me. Coconut oil is far better as it can be chemical free, inexpensive to use, can handle high heat and is very healthy consisting of medium chain fatty acids which are good for you, especially the brain. But given the very high level of garbage foods in fast food places, maybe beef tallow, while discriminatory against non-meat eaters, may help slow down the inflammatory conditions caused by Omega-6 seed oils. I just hope he deals with real holistic practitioners and researchers before jumping on one band wagon or another.
There's this way of thinking that making something better isn't good enough unless it's perfect. I am a proponent of stepwise refinement, starting with something meaningful and relatively easy. Then take the next step.
Absolutely agree about anything coming from CAFO operations, beef, pork, chicken, fish...whatever.
But, tallow, and lard, from pasture raised finished sources is probably one of the best cooking 'oil' sources around. It's what our ancestors grew up with, along with the meat products themselves.
Do a favorite search engine search for street scenes from 1920/1930 even into the forties and fifties. Fat people were an anomaly.
I remember my aunt's piecrusts made with lard. The best pie crust I have ever had.
I’ve seen Robert Kennedy Jr, talk about all of this on his podcasts. He’s waay ahead of you.
Well, I doubt a place called Steak & Shake would be a preferred eatery for vegetarians, but point taken.
(TMI warning) And what of omega-6 essential fatty acids that are properly pressed, packaged, and stored, such as grapeseed oil? Having relativley low omega-6 in my fiet, cold-pressed grapeseed oil is important to balance omega-3, or it's literally a pain in the ass, i.e., I get hemorrhoids.
Thank you Adam and thank you Bobby. Baby steps. Love that people are becoming more and more aware of the problem with the food we eat. A GREAT place to start is French fries!! Definitely a favorite of many people and therefore they may start looking at the food they eat and becoming informed about what has happened with our food industry. Keep it up, Bobby.
I have lived with the cooking within my family for over 50 years. And what did my grandmothers and mother cook with? Tallow and lard. It's kept my family and me healthy for generations.
If God meant for us to eat only plants, then why do animals taste like meat?
Good news!!!!
Seed oils make good cleaners for oil-based stuff like tar, and certain properly processed and handled ones are the best non-animal based or least expensive sources of essential fatty acids for those who need more than they get in their diet. So, I don't support banning them, but rather, health warnings for those that are not produced, pacakged, and handled in a way as to be healthy to consume.
I support MAHA but I saw this as a tiny baby step for the cause and free PR for S&S 🥴
So you’re the ‘glass half empty’ type?
Change will take time and we have to start somewhere. Frying oil is a good place, although making it "pastured" tallow would be even better for health and the climate. Having a clear vision for what we want America's food system to become would help guide policy. We suggest local, unprocessed, and regenerative will best support MAHA and the rebuilding of local economies. https://livingwelllocally.substack.com/p/real-food-as-good-medicine
i wonder if this will have any negative effects on Herbal manufacturing.
Among the best oils is beef tallow.
The US has one of the worst Sickcare systems.
Who keeps churning this is good, bad, bad good, good again, this and that "research" results?