The green-house effect (effect of certain gases in the Earth's atmosphere allowing sunlight to penetrate but then trapping the resulting heat from dissipating out of the atmosphere) is a phenomenon of physics. I understand that Al Gore and Greta Thunberg are well-versed in the science of physics, but I'm wondering if RFK Jr might *also* listen to the opinions of actual physicists. John Clauser, awarded a Nobel Prize in Physics for his work, might be a person who could help educate Mr. Kennedy.
The problem with listening to the (highly censored) opinions of physicists is that many of them, like Dr. Clauser, believe that carbon in the atmosphere has *no* significant impact on climate change. That opinion (most likely a fact, as well as an opinion) does pose a problem for the millions of climate lunatics like Gore and Greta (let's simplify, and call them Greta Gore).
Arguing climate change from the perspective of physics is identical to arguing against COVID lockdowns from the perspective of expertise in epidemiology. It’s a path leading to complete censorship.
Exactly. If this article was designed to make me support Mr. Kennedy, it failed miserably. I have no interest in the Al Gore or John Kerry’s of the world promoting their looney ideas about climate crisis. It’s a NON issue to most bread and butter voters.
“A total of 1,609 scientists, professors and other scholars have signed on to a new declaration that argues there is no climate change crisis.
‘There is no climate emergency’ is the title of the declaration that consists of 53 pages’ worth of signatories from across the globe, including some Nobel Laureates and other researchers from prestigious universities. Other signers include engineers, attorneys and other professionals.”
Nobel prize is like FDA though, used to be a thing, now?
Quote from John Clauser one of the Nobel winners;
“The popular narrative about climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people. Misguided climate science has metastasized into massive shock-journalistic pseudoscience. In turn, the pseudoscience has become a scapegoat for a wide variety of other unrelated ills. It has been promoted and extended by similarly misguided business marketing agents, politicians, journalists, government agencies, and environmentalists. In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis. There is, however, a very real problem with providing a decent standard of living to the world’s large population and an associated energy crisis. The latter is being unnecessarily exacerbated by what, in my opinion, is incorrect climate science.”
I don’t think you could run for president without having a stand on climate change at this present time, he is already up against the delusional paradigm of vaccines.
One only has to read from the Russian scientists ice core data to know we are very low in CO2 levels at this time of earths life.
There is major SO2 and NO2 from both China and India however that we really do need to do something about,......real bad smog.
We can get free energy but they don’t want to improve our lives right now when the big killing is on..
Has anyone heard how the giant fusion generator test went in Japan? It is a Europe/ Japan project. These are huge coils with magnetics inside a chamber that creates a toroidal flow ( like around our hearts) that creates plasmid fusion,.....like the sun.
Let's not be too hard on Greta. I love her passionate activism, and we need more of it! It just needs to be directed at the right target! Sh is not a corporate millionaire like Gore.
I am sorry fellow RFK Jr supporters, but there is no climate crisis. If it truly was an existential threat, then why aren’t we stopping China and India from building hundreds more coal fired power plants.
Nearly a billion people live without electricity, yet you would hypocritically limit their access with your alarmist rhetoric and policies all while raising the cost of energy. If you want to lose the independent voters, keep pushing this issue.
No climate crisis?! What world are you living in? Keep living in denial and the last thing Kennedy will lose are the independent voters. Are you another one that doesn’t know Kennedy is an environmental lawyer?! Lol
There is no climate emergency that can be solved by Al Gore and other politicians and activists who have made a career and identity out of climate apocalypticism. The solutions they offer will cause and have caused greater damage than they will and have mitigated.
“ nature-based climate solutions” is irrational nonsense. Oil and gas are both natural. So is coal. They come from the earth. “Natural” arguments are logical fallacies. Not everything from “nature” is effective or safe and nothing exists that isn’t from nature. Humans are natural. All is Nature. Everything not natural is superstition.
Renewables, ie wind and solar, are insufficient to handle the energy needs of the human population and the people who are advocating them are fighting against nuclear, which actually would provide the best cost to benefit ratio. That isn’t to say they shouldn’t be used, but they shouldn’t be subsidized or forced. There are risks and potential harms from all sources of energy. And dangers from climate will be best mitigated through infrastructure, good husbandry, and technology and not through energy asceticism. The narrative around climate promoted by Gore, et al, including it seems Rfk, is a religious mythology and not a sober scientific assessment. And it is harming humanity more than it is helping.
The world desperately needs to recognize that there is no climate crisis.
There is however a crisis in the distribution of incomes, in the lack of affordability of housing and in ballooning government debt. There is also a crisis brought on by an overenthusiastic assertion of US military power.
To me I would take the environmental disaster more seriously if they paid any lip service, at all, to a large, totally preventable, source of energy waste.
War. Profit from that is the top priority in our world. Indeed we throw cold water on peace initiatives and tear up arms limitation agreements. The plans of our leaders can be neatly summarized. WW III with;
Russia, China, Iran, well indeed all the BRICS crowd. Plus what side will the German people take when it dawns, finally, on them, just who blew up their pipeline to prosperity?
How much energy does it take to produce a tank, never mind ship and fuel it till it gets blown up.
Why is it all the really serious proposals to fix the world involve big, secret meetings that the super wealthy have to fly to in their private jets where the agenda is to kill us? WHO knows!
The US and indeed all western nations have achieved their prosperity using fossil fuels. For still-emerging nations, are we intending to stunt their emergence by “transitioning” away from fossil fuels worldwide, consigning many third world nations to using wood and dung as their primary fuel sources, essentially consigning them to poverty?
Absolute Non Science article. Fossil Fuels ain't from fossils Gary. Referencing Politico, referring to the climate dolts Al Gore and Kerry? Are you really that clueless. PhD hmmm Piled Higher and Deeper
CO 2 is crucial for the green plants "we" are dependent on. High School Biology.
The issue is man created Poisons by the Biotech, Big Pharma cartels...
We need free unlimited energy for all, Tesla knew this and delivered 100 years ago...
I have to wonder how many of you know what RFK jr means by nature-based solutions. IF you don't, how would you know if it's a good or bad basic policy? I personally like Bjorn Lomberg's (and group)
ideas about practical, affordable ( relatively speaking, of course) solutions on a global scale More common sense and realistic solutions are urgently needed. That being said, I believe that the alleged crisis of the month - CLIMATE CHANGE - and the histrionics that follow are clearly the last stand before the globalists attempt to take over the population that remains standing after the jabs that are
killing and injuring us all. For certain, if you are only listening to the MSM, you are clueless about what is really going on in the world.
There was a news item today about how the Biden Administration has spent billions of dollars to create an infrastructure of fast-charging stations for electric cars across the country, and despite billions spent over the past three years or so, the number of recharging stations built is exactly....wait for it...zero. And this has been the story of federal funding of "green" technology since the Obama Administration, and certainly into Biden's term -- the picking of winners among various new technologies, where nothing comes out of that federal investment, other than the lining of the pockets of "green" companies' CEOs who become billionaires and key donors to the Democratic Party.
Why is all the emphasis and weight put on phasing out gasoline-fueled vehicles for electric, when electric vehicle technology is its own disaster (mining rare and finite minerals out of the earth, the disposal of spent batteries is apparently its own nightmare, not to mention that electric vehicles are not powered by fairy dust, but by electric power plants that are fueled by fossil fuels), also when it looks like within ten years electric vehicles will be phased out by hydrogen-fueled powerplants (Toyota is going full blast on this, and they aren't the only car manufacturer) which is cleaner than electric. IOW, once again, it is foolish for our government to favor one particular technology over other emerging technologies, spending billions (ineffectively) on something that may be obsolete within ten years.
Uh-oh, it looks as if RFK Jr. has some people on his substack who are able to think. Kerry, Gore???? For the love of God, no. Jon Olsen summed it up. As long as Kennedy, Kerry, and Gore pretend that oil and gas interests will be taken down and that the aerial spraying of toxins does not exist, then they are not environmentalists. Stop the lying. I thought that public honesty was one of Kennedy's goals.
RFK Jr's support for a phase out of fracking is logically and scientifically unjustified. Thus, under no circumstance should a voter vote for JFK Jr for POTUS as there are plenty of well qualified candidates for POTUS who would not phase out fracking. Amongst these candidates is Donald Trump.
We need to take a nuanced view. After much study and contemplation and
above all seeing the actual MATH (below), I've come to he conclusion
that we have an ecological crisis, NOT a CO2 crisis. Causes of the
crisis are (among others)
1. aerial spraying of toxic stuff
2. rainforest devastation in pursuit of corporate profits
3. desertification of large areas of the planet caused in part by human activity
4. plastics articles and "forever chemicals"
5. unregulated sewage disposals
6. industrial pollution from many sources
7. wildlife extinctions and threats of extinction
8. monocrop agriculture
9. military contamination, like toxic pits and depleted uranium
NOW for the math,and this is what really turned me around!
Current measurements show around 425 parts per million CO2 in our
atmosphere and it is proposed that we need to achieve 350 PPM
425 divided by a million is .000425 (tiny)
350 divided by a million is .000350 (tiny)
The difference is .000075 or .0075% (MINUSCULE)
By contrast, oxygen is something like 21% if I recall correctly.
The real scam is making CO2 the scapegoat (or "patsy" as Oswald
said correctly about himself). The have the wrong target! On purpose!
One more distraction from the real problems for livability (see
above). Jon
Well reasoned synopsis, though it is actually simpler
We have consistently been lied to.
Well said
Thank you very much. That was a short list of the ecological issues.
The green-house effect (effect of certain gases in the Earth's atmosphere allowing sunlight to penetrate but then trapping the resulting heat from dissipating out of the atmosphere) is a phenomenon of physics. I understand that Al Gore and Greta Thunberg are well-versed in the science of physics, but I'm wondering if RFK Jr might *also* listen to the opinions of actual physicists. John Clauser, awarded a Nobel Prize in Physics for his work, might be a person who could help educate Mr. Kennedy.
The problem with listening to the (highly censored) opinions of physicists is that many of them, like Dr. Clauser, believe that carbon in the atmosphere has *no* significant impact on climate change. That opinion (most likely a fact, as well as an opinion) does pose a problem for the millions of climate lunatics like Gore and Greta (let's simplify, and call them Greta Gore).
Bobby, please wake up!
Arguing climate change from the perspective of physics is identical to arguing against COVID lockdowns from the perspective of expertise in epidemiology. It’s a path leading to complete censorship.
Exactly. If this article was designed to make me support Mr. Kennedy, it failed miserably. I have no interest in the Al Gore or John Kerry’s of the world promoting their looney ideas about climate crisis. It’s a NON issue to most bread and butter voters.
“A total of 1,609 scientists, professors and other scholars have signed on to a new declaration that argues there is no climate change crisis.
‘There is no climate emergency’ is the title of the declaration that consists of 53 pages’ worth of signatories from across the globe, including some Nobel Laureates and other researchers from prestigious universities. Other signers include engineers, attorneys and other professionals.”
I've seen the link. Will try to come back with it.
Got it
https://alethonews.com/2023/08/18/there-is-no-climate-crisis1600-scientists-worldwide-nobel-prize-laureate-sign-declaration/
or
https://notrickszone.com/2023/08/15/there-is-no-climate-crisis-1600-scientists-worldwide-nobel-prize-laureate-sign-declaration/
Nobel prize is like FDA though, used to be a thing, now?
Quote from John Clauser one of the Nobel winners;
“The popular narrative about climate change reflects a dangerous corruption of science that threatens the world’s economy and the well-being of billions of people. Misguided climate science has metastasized into massive shock-journalistic pseudoscience. In turn, the pseudoscience has become a scapegoat for a wide variety of other unrelated ills. It has been promoted and extended by similarly misguided business marketing agents, politicians, journalists, government agencies, and environmentalists. In my opinion, there is no real climate crisis. There is, however, a very real problem with providing a decent standard of living to the world’s large population and an associated energy crisis. The latter is being unnecessarily exacerbated by what, in my opinion, is incorrect climate science.”
I don’t think you could run for president without having a stand on climate change at this present time, he is already up against the delusional paradigm of vaccines.
One only has to read from the Russian scientists ice core data to know we are very low in CO2 levels at this time of earths life.
There is major SO2 and NO2 from both China and India however that we really do need to do something about,......real bad smog.
We can get free energy but they don’t want to improve our lives right now when the big killing is on..
Has anyone heard how the giant fusion generator test went in Japan? It is a Europe/ Japan project. These are huge coils with magnetics inside a chamber that creates a toroidal flow ( like around our hearts) that creates plasmid fusion,.....like the sun.
Let's not be too hard on Greta. I love her passionate activism, and we need more of it! It just needs to be directed at the right target! Sh is not a corporate millionaire like Gore.
I am sorry fellow RFK Jr supporters, but there is no climate crisis. If it truly was an existential threat, then why aren’t we stopping China and India from building hundreds more coal fired power plants.
Nearly a billion people live without electricity, yet you would hypocritically limit their access with your alarmist rhetoric and policies all while raising the cost of energy. If you want to lose the independent voters, keep pushing this issue.
John you are so right----hope more people will start to realize what's going on.
don't be sorry, you are exactly right
time for supporters to wake up and take the libtard blinders off
No climate crisis?! What world are you living in? Keep living in denial and the last thing Kennedy will lose are the independent voters. Are you another one that doesn’t know Kennedy is an environmental lawyer?! Lol
There is no climate emergency that can be solved by Al Gore and other politicians and activists who have made a career and identity out of climate apocalypticism. The solutions they offer will cause and have caused greater damage than they will and have mitigated.
“ nature-based climate solutions” is irrational nonsense. Oil and gas are both natural. So is coal. They come from the earth. “Natural” arguments are logical fallacies. Not everything from “nature” is effective or safe and nothing exists that isn’t from nature. Humans are natural. All is Nature. Everything not natural is superstition.
Renewables, ie wind and solar, are insufficient to handle the energy needs of the human population and the people who are advocating them are fighting against nuclear, which actually would provide the best cost to benefit ratio. That isn’t to say they shouldn’t be used, but they shouldn’t be subsidized or forced. There are risks and potential harms from all sources of energy. And dangers from climate will be best mitigated through infrastructure, good husbandry, and technology and not through energy asceticism. The narrative around climate promoted by Gore, et al, including it seems Rfk, is a religious mythology and not a sober scientific assessment. And it is harming humanity more than it is helping.
The world desperately needs to recognize that there is no climate crisis.
There is however a crisis in the distribution of incomes, in the lack of affordability of housing and in ballooning government debt. There is also a crisis brought on by an overenthusiastic assertion of US military power.
Yes, with the very obvious shifting of wealth from the vast middle class to the super rich who own and run supposedly "green" companies.
To me I would take the environmental disaster more seriously if they paid any lip service, at all, to a large, totally preventable, source of energy waste.
War. Profit from that is the top priority in our world. Indeed we throw cold water on peace initiatives and tear up arms limitation agreements. The plans of our leaders can be neatly summarized. WW III with;
Russia, China, Iran, well indeed all the BRICS crowd. Plus what side will the German people take when it dawns, finally, on them, just who blew up their pipeline to prosperity?
How much energy does it take to produce a tank, never mind ship and fuel it till it gets blown up.
Why is it all the really serious proposals to fix the world involve big, secret meetings that the super wealthy have to fly to in their private jets where the agenda is to kill us? WHO knows!
The US and indeed all western nations have achieved their prosperity using fossil fuels. For still-emerging nations, are we intending to stunt their emergence by “transitioning” away from fossil fuels worldwide, consigning many third world nations to using wood and dung as their primary fuel sources, essentially consigning them to poverty?
except oil is not from fossils
the construct was and is to create scarcity which is a lie
That said oil is a horrible polluter. Li Ion batteries are even much worse...
Absolute Non Science article. Fossil Fuels ain't from fossils Gary. Referencing Politico, referring to the climate dolts Al Gore and Kerry? Are you really that clueless. PhD hmmm Piled Higher and Deeper
CO 2 is crucial for the green plants "we" are dependent on. High School Biology.
The issue is man created Poisons by the Biotech, Big Pharma cartels...
We need free unlimited energy for all, Tesla knew this and delivered 100 years ago...
I have to wonder how many of you know what RFK jr means by nature-based solutions. IF you don't, how would you know if it's a good or bad basic policy? I personally like Bjorn Lomberg's (and group)
ideas about practical, affordable ( relatively speaking, of course) solutions on a global scale More common sense and realistic solutions are urgently needed. That being said, I believe that the alleged crisis of the month - CLIMATE CHANGE - and the histrionics that follow are clearly the last stand before the globalists attempt to take over the population that remains standing after the jabs that are
killing and injuring us all. For certain, if you are only listening to the MSM, you are clueless about what is really going on in the world.
The lesson of fossil fuel advocates' failure at COP 28: stop "Arguing to 0," start "Arguing to 100"
https://alexepstein.substack.com/p/the-lesson-of-fossil-fuel-advocates
Gavin Newsom’s 10 favorite myths about energy and climate, refuted
https://alexepstein.substack.com/p/gavin-newsoms-10-favorite-myths-about
https://alexepstein.substack.com/p/every-net-zero-by-2050-myth-refuted
There was a news item today about how the Biden Administration has spent billions of dollars to create an infrastructure of fast-charging stations for electric cars across the country, and despite billions spent over the past three years or so, the number of recharging stations built is exactly....wait for it...zero. And this has been the story of federal funding of "green" technology since the Obama Administration, and certainly into Biden's term -- the picking of winners among various new technologies, where nothing comes out of that federal investment, other than the lining of the pockets of "green" companies' CEOs who become billionaires and key donors to the Democratic Party.
Why is all the emphasis and weight put on phasing out gasoline-fueled vehicles for electric, when electric vehicle technology is its own disaster (mining rare and finite minerals out of the earth, the disposal of spent batteries is apparently its own nightmare, not to mention that electric vehicles are not powered by fairy dust, but by electric power plants that are fueled by fossil fuels), also when it looks like within ten years electric vehicles will be phased out by hydrogen-fueled powerplants (Toyota is going full blast on this, and they aren't the only car manufacturer) which is cleaner than electric. IOW, once again, it is foolish for our government to favor one particular technology over other emerging technologies, spending billions (ineffectively) on something that may be obsolete within ten years.
Uh-oh, it looks as if RFK Jr. has some people on his substack who are able to think. Kerry, Gore???? For the love of God, no. Jon Olsen summed it up. As long as Kennedy, Kerry, and Gore pretend that oil and gas interests will be taken down and that the aerial spraying of toxins does not exist, then they are not environmentalists. Stop the lying. I thought that public honesty was one of Kennedy's goals.
RFK Jr's support for a phase out of fracking is logically and scientifically unjustified. Thus, under no circumstance should a voter vote for JFK Jr for POTUS as there are plenty of well qualified candidates for POTUS who would not phase out fracking. Amongst these candidates is Donald Trump.